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HERAKLES Otomatik Avlı kalıcı sunucu. 19 Haziran'da açılıyor. Atius & Wizard güvencesiyle hemen kayıt ol, ön kayıt ödülleri aktif. HEMEN TIKLA!
ıon By Plato Translated By Benjamin Jowett
Persons Of The Dıalogue: Socrates; ıon
Socrates. Welcome, ıon. Are You From Your Native City Of Ephesus?
ıon. No, Socrates; But From Epidaurus, Where ı Attended The Festival Of Asclepius.
Soc. And Do The Epidaurians Have Contests Of Rhapsodes At The Festival?
ıon. O Yes; And Of All Sorts Of Musical Performers.
Soc. And Were You One Of The Competitors- And Did You Succeed?
ıon. ı Obtained The First Prize Of All, Socrates.
Soc. Well Done; And ı Hope That You Will Do The Same For Us At The Panathenaea.
ıon. And ı Will, Please Heaven.
Soc. ı Often Envy The Profession Of A Rhapsode, ıon; For You Have Always To Wear Fine Clothes, And To Look As Beautiful As You Can Is A Part Of Your Art. Then, Again, You Are Obliged To Be Continually In The Company Of Many Good Poets; And Especially Of Homer, Who Is The Best And Most Divine Of Them; And To Understand Him, And Not Merely Learn His Words By Rote, Is A Thing Greatly To Be Envied. And No Man Can Be A Rhapsode Who Does Not Understand The Meaning Of The Poet. For The Rhapsode Ought To Interpret The Mind Of The Poet To His Hearers, But How Can He Interpret Him Well Unless He Knows What He Means? All This Is Greatly To Be Envied.
ıon. Very True, Socrates; Interpretation Has Certainly Been The Most Laborious Part Of My Art; And ı Believe Myself Able To Speak About Homer Better Than Any Man; And That Neither Metrodorus Of Lampsacus, Nor Stesimbrotus Of Thasos, Nor Glaucon, Nor Any One Else Who Ever Was, Had As Good Ideas About Homer As ı Have, Or As Many.
Soc. ı Am Glad To Hear You Say So, ıon; ı See That You Will Not Refuse To Acquaint Me With Them.
ıon. Certainly, Socrates; And You Really Ought To Hear How Exquisitely ı Render Homer. ı Think That The Homeridae Should Give Me A Golden Crown.
Soc. ı Shall Take An Opportunity Of Hearing Your Embellishments Of Him At Some Other Time. But Just Now ı Should Like To Ask You A Question: Does Your Art Extend To Hesiod And Archilochus, Or To Homer Only?
ıon. To Homer Only; He Is In Himself Quite Enough.
Soc. Are There Any Things About Which Homer And Hesiod Agree?
ıon. Yes; In My Opinion There Are A Good Many.
Soc. And Can You Interpret Better What Homer Says, Or What Hesiod Says, About These Matters In Which They Agree?
ıon. ı Can Interpret Them Equally Well, Socrates, Where They Agree.
Soc. But What About Matters In Which They Do Not Agree?- For Example, About Divination, Of Which Both Homer And Hesiod Have Something To Say-
ıon. Very True:
Soc. Would You Or A Good Prophet Be A Better Interpreter Of What These Two Poets Say About Divination, Not Only When They Agree, But When They Disagree?
ıon. A Prophet.
Soc. And If You Were A Prophet, Would You Be Able To Interpret Them When They Disagree As Well As When They Agree?
ıon. Clearly.
Soc. But How Did You Come To Have This Skill About Homer Only, And Not About Hesiod Or The Other Poets? Does Not Homer Speak Of The Same Themes Which All Other Poets Handle? ıs Not War His Great Argument? And Does He Not Speak Of Human Society And Of Intercourse Of Men, Good And Bad, Skilled And Unskilled, And Of The Gods Conversing With One Another And With Mankind, And About What Happens In Heaven And In The World Below, And The Generations Of Gods And Heroes? Are Not These The Themes Of Which Homer Sings?
ıon. Very True, Socrates.
Soc. And Do Not The Other Poets Sing Of The Same?
ıon. Yes, Socrates; But Not In The Same Way As Homer.
Soc. What, In A Worse Way?
ıon. Yes, In A Far Worse.
Soc. And Homer In A Better Way?
ıon. He Is Incomparably Better.
Soc. And Yet Surely, My Dear Friend ıon, In A Discussion About Arithmetic, Where Many People Are Speaking, And One Speaks Better Than The Rest, There Is Somebody Who Can Judge Which Of Them Is The Good Speaker?
ıon. Yes.
Soc. And He Who Judges Of The Good Will Be The Same As He Who Judges Of The Bad Speakers?
ıon. The Same.
Soc. And He Will Be The Arithmetician?
ıon. Yes.
Soc. Well, And In Discussions About The Wholesomeness Of Food, When Many Persons Are Speaking, And One Speaks Better Than The Rest, Will He Who Recognizes The Better Speaker Be A Different Person From Him Who Recognizes The Worse, Or The Same?
ıon. Clearly The Same.
Soc. And Who Is He, And What Is His Name?
ıon. The Physician.
Soc. And Speaking Generally, In All Discussions In Which The Subject Is The Same And Many Men Are Speaking, Will Not He Who Knows The Good Know The Bad Speaker Also? For If He Does Not Know The Bad, Neither Will He Know The Good When The Same Topic Is Being Discussed.
ıon. True.
Soc. ıs Not The Same Person Skilful In Both?
ıon. Yes.
Soc. And You Say That Homer And The Other Poets, Such As Hesiod And Archilochus, Speak Of The Same Things, Although Not In The Same Way; But The One Speaks Well And The Other Not So Well?
ıon. Yes; And ı Am Right In Saying So.
Soc. And If You Knew The Good Speaker, You Would Also Know The Inferior Speakers To Be Inferior?
ıon. That Is True.
Persons Of The Dıalogue: Socrates; ıon
Socrates. Welcome, ıon. Are You From Your Native City Of Ephesus?
ıon. No, Socrates; But From Epidaurus, Where ı Attended The Festival Of Asclepius.
Soc. And Do The Epidaurians Have Contests Of Rhapsodes At The Festival?
ıon. O Yes; And Of All Sorts Of Musical Performers.
Soc. And Were You One Of The Competitors- And Did You Succeed?
ıon. ı Obtained The First Prize Of All, Socrates.
Soc. Well Done; And ı Hope That You Will Do The Same For Us At The Panathenaea.
ıon. And ı Will, Please Heaven.
Soc. ı Often Envy The Profession Of A Rhapsode, ıon; For You Have Always To Wear Fine Clothes, And To Look As Beautiful As You Can Is A Part Of Your Art. Then, Again, You Are Obliged To Be Continually In The Company Of Many Good Poets; And Especially Of Homer, Who Is The Best And Most Divine Of Them; And To Understand Him, And Not Merely Learn His Words By Rote, Is A Thing Greatly To Be Envied. And No Man Can Be A Rhapsode Who Does Not Understand The Meaning Of The Poet. For The Rhapsode Ought To Interpret The Mind Of The Poet To His Hearers, But How Can He Interpret Him Well Unless He Knows What He Means? All This Is Greatly To Be Envied.
ıon. Very True, Socrates; Interpretation Has Certainly Been The Most Laborious Part Of My Art; And ı Believe Myself Able To Speak About Homer Better Than Any Man; And That Neither Metrodorus Of Lampsacus, Nor Stesimbrotus Of Thasos, Nor Glaucon, Nor Any One Else Who Ever Was, Had As Good Ideas About Homer As ı Have, Or As Many.
Soc. ı Am Glad To Hear You Say So, ıon; ı See That You Will Not Refuse To Acquaint Me With Them.
ıon. Certainly, Socrates; And You Really Ought To Hear How Exquisitely ı Render Homer. ı Think That The Homeridae Should Give Me A Golden Crown.
Soc. ı Shall Take An Opportunity Of Hearing Your Embellishments Of Him At Some Other Time. But Just Now ı Should Like To Ask You A Question: Does Your Art Extend To Hesiod And Archilochus, Or To Homer Only?
ıon. To Homer Only; He Is In Himself Quite Enough.
Soc. Are There Any Things About Which Homer And Hesiod Agree?
ıon. Yes; In My Opinion There Are A Good Many.
Soc. And Can You Interpret Better What Homer Says, Or What Hesiod Says, About These Matters In Which They Agree?
ıon. ı Can Interpret Them Equally Well, Socrates, Where They Agree.
Soc. But What About Matters In Which They Do Not Agree?- For Example, About Divination, Of Which Both Homer And Hesiod Have Something To Say-
ıon. Very True:
Soc. Would You Or A Good Prophet Be A Better Interpreter Of What These Two Poets Say About Divination, Not Only When They Agree, But When They Disagree?
ıon. A Prophet.
Soc. And If You Were A Prophet, Would You Be Able To Interpret Them When They Disagree As Well As When They Agree?
ıon. Clearly.
Soc. But How Did You Come To Have This Skill About Homer Only, And Not About Hesiod Or The Other Poets? Does Not Homer Speak Of The Same Themes Which All Other Poets Handle? ıs Not War His Great Argument? And Does He Not Speak Of Human Society And Of Intercourse Of Men, Good And Bad, Skilled And Unskilled, And Of The Gods Conversing With One Another And With Mankind, And About What Happens In Heaven And In The World Below, And The Generations Of Gods And Heroes? Are Not These The Themes Of Which Homer Sings?
ıon. Very True, Socrates.
Soc. And Do Not The Other Poets Sing Of The Same?
ıon. Yes, Socrates; But Not In The Same Way As Homer.
Soc. What, In A Worse Way?
ıon. Yes, In A Far Worse.
Soc. And Homer In A Better Way?
ıon. He Is Incomparably Better.
Soc. And Yet Surely, My Dear Friend ıon, In A Discussion About Arithmetic, Where Many People Are Speaking, And One Speaks Better Than The Rest, There Is Somebody Who Can Judge Which Of Them Is The Good Speaker?
ıon. Yes.
Soc. And He Who Judges Of The Good Will Be The Same As He Who Judges Of The Bad Speakers?
ıon. The Same.
Soc. And He Will Be The Arithmetician?
ıon. Yes.
Soc. Well, And In Discussions About The Wholesomeness Of Food, When Many Persons Are Speaking, And One Speaks Better Than The Rest, Will He Who Recognizes The Better Speaker Be A Different Person From Him Who Recognizes The Worse, Or The Same?
ıon. Clearly The Same.
Soc. And Who Is He, And What Is His Name?
ıon. The Physician.
Soc. And Speaking Generally, In All Discussions In Which The Subject Is The Same And Many Men Are Speaking, Will Not He Who Knows The Good Know The Bad Speaker Also? For If He Does Not Know The Bad, Neither Will He Know The Good When The Same Topic Is Being Discussed.
ıon. True.
Soc. ıs Not The Same Person Skilful In Both?
ıon. Yes.
Soc. And You Say That Homer And The Other Poets, Such As Hesiod And Archilochus, Speak Of The Same Things, Although Not In The Same Way; But The One Speaks Well And The Other Not So Well?
ıon. Yes; And ı Am Right In Saying So.
Soc. And If You Knew The Good Speaker, You Would Also Know The Inferior Speakers To Be Inferior?
ıon. That Is True.
